Jakes conferences, Joel Osteen conferences, Bethel conferences, at Perry Nobles church, Robert Morris church and conferences, Rick Warrens church, and Steven Furticks church and conferences (all to co-ed audiences) just to name a few. Chris Rosebrough Reviews Christine Caine at Passion 2015 Conference. It was my own walk with Christ, studying of the scripture, and life-changing experiences that helped me grow and see otherwise. So bnos na minha vida e de milhares!!! I think we have to be careful here. Believers are to have nothing to do with anyone who claims authority as a teacher but who is not sound concerning the doctrine of Christ. Hebrews 12:27 says: Only those things that can be shaken will be shaken so that those things that cannot be shaken shall remain. Were about to go back out into the real world again and what is the only thing that wasnt shaken? I didn't really understand what was going on. My friend Alan Hirsch says: We have to read Jesus meaning just come back to that central place. Discover how to triumph through the blood of the lamb and the word of your testimony. God uses all of us, however he sees fit. Her own name was recorded as "Unnamed . Theologians disagree as to whether Lydia was a free woman or servant. Then mankind graduated from a belief based on laws, as we all did growing up under the laws and rules of our parents, and came to live in a belief based on faith. 22Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? 23Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness., Man was made in Gods image. She will equip and empower you to create change in this world and live out your God given destiny! It was 9 a.m. in Australia, and my doctor in the U.S. had called to give me the results of the thyroid biopsy I . (Marin) Im pretty confident that both of these women were richly blessed.. The key word: DIRECTLY. Paul says: one thing I do: forgetting what is behind and straining towards what is ahead, I press on (Philippians 3:13-14). Please show us where we have been prideful. Christine Caine. Read what the real women of God did in scripture, neither Cain nor Meyer fit the model. . One taps you on the shoulder when youre doing something wrong, the other tells you that you are, inherently, wrong. Stay in the word; get yourself around people that are going to believe in you and speak life to you. I just remember holding that toilet brush and doing it as unto God with a passion. The key word: DIRECTLY. His important and humbling messgae to us all was that we need to be willing to sit down with those who (we claim to be false) or maybe are not false but have poor doctrinal beliefs and work with one another. Im watching people deconstruct their faith, prominent leaders renouncing Jesus. Names that comes to mind are cult leaders like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and David Koresh, that ended up promoting themselves as God. Like the Old Testament is a handbook for raising small children, and the prophets are a way of example for teenagers, the New Testament serves as a college level class on living. If you cannot or will not refute those who contradict then you should not be a pastor. Please tell me that you have been right 100% of the time in your teachings and have never needed greater depth of insight. External Communication Officer. I dont know why I go searching for these articles. I would ask you to reconsider listening to Meyer or Caine, there are many ladies ministries that are genuine and follow The Lord, if I were you Id seek those out, and always text whats taught against what the Bible really says, scripture twisting is a favorite pastime of wolves everywhere! Mariners Church. This emphatic language demonstrates the fervor of Pauls attitude toward those who would modify any part of the gospel he preached. For all others, we must be clear about our rejection of their dangerous teaching. Dont hate on God s people. Say sorry really quickly. So many people Christine Caine. She was so desperate to overcome the pain that Christine read every book she could on the subject, and even began . Listen as they unp. Question for you: what are you doing to follow Matthew 18 and take your questions and concerns to Christine, Joyce, etc in person? 28 following. loads of accusations with no documentation.. We name names not because we have issues personally with the person, but the teaching which we are absolutely supposed to judge against scripture. People who post here are haters and not lovers of Christ! People are too busy being judges more than preaching the Bible. We all ask for the spirit of discernment & as we grow in spirit, will soon know who is who or the Holy Spirit reveals it to us without you being judgemental to a fellow human being. If they are not preaching salvation as Jesus spoke it, run!! Restoration is only possible for those who repent. Are you intimidated by the words, testimony, presence of a powerful woman of God? Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. Is it helping these teachers repent? "Chris, you have cancer." Not quite the words I was expecting to hear when I landed in Sydney, Australia, for our annual Hillsong conference on June 27 this year. if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? You are even going by a username that hides your real identity. I live like a radical because I think we all should. People seeking God care about others. Rising from the Ashes of Abuse: Christine Caine & Jennifer Clinger - Jesus Calling Podcast Episode 68. Purpose Driven Karen, you need to go back and read the meaning of scriptural judgement, we judge those that call themselves Christians, we dont judge the outside world, read his the Bereans were described for being judges, they compared every teaching with scripture. So heres the question we have to ask and answer anytime we are refuting error. I felt many emotions and very vulnerable, but I could also feel God's presence with me in a palpable way. The strawman argument youre trying to rope me into wont work with me. His Greek Orthodox family live in poverty in Australia where they immigrated. Its so sad I just cant un see all this bologna you all have a blessed life Ill pray for you In Jesus name, Karen, I completely agree with you. Shame eats away at the core of who we are. And so that, as you could imagine, messed me up. Its a Hollywood script! No preacher gets it 100% correct. As Christians, we need to compare the current, mainstream teachings to the Israelites of the minor prophet era they were mixing in unholy sacrifice and worship. 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. Progressive (Social Justice) Christianity Create Yours. Just love God, love people, love each other. Christians are commanded not to worry, as we know our God is bigger than any situation, we are to lay at His feet ALL of our cares, He provides. Christine decided to allow God to begin the process of healing and restoration. You have NOT confronted them to their faces. Just because we think we are divorcing or reimagining the symbol from its original meaning does not make it holy. They took half of my thyroid; I won't need any more medication, and there is now no trace of cancer in my body. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Shun them, having nothing to do with them. Dont trust your heart, trust God. I and pray that evil will not flourish. He just kept inviting me out with his team for coffee. Get encouraging stories and messages from Billy Graham delivered to your inbox every weekend. Presumptuous, ridiculous and like a Christine Caine sermon unbiblical. We cant save anyone, we present the unadulterated Gospels, we present Jesus as the only way to The Father, the only way to salvation. ( 1 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 2:20) 3. It hurts to look at. But Christine Caine is here to speak above that noise with the truth of how God sees you, and who he's created you to be, so you can make his name famous! Privacy The priest was the one who read the Biblenot the congregation. Dont mistake love of the world for the true love of God, His Son, and His scripture. Toll Free: 1-877-247-2426. You can talk very big about what you WILL do, but what Im talking about is what you HAVE and HAVE NOT done. If marriage alone (or in the case of a woman) who wants to minister or have a place in some form of leadership or influence in the church is only legitimized in ministering through the oversight of her husband, then that would appear to be highly problematic for 2 reasons: 1) What then is the role of Jesus as our heavenly/spiritual husband (as emphasized in Mathew 25/ Isaiah 54:5)? And thank you for giving us a forum in which to teach the Scriptures and have healthy debate.. II John 9-11. Christian Church. Theres a great difference between having a healthy conscience, and shame, says Christine. And every single one of us is qualified to do just that. Jakes accept an invite to speak in a room with some reformed guys in 2012 to discuss his belief in the oneness dcotrine of the church to which he categorically spoke of his background in that momvement and how since then he has moved away from that doctrine toa trinitarian doctrine, he was asked every question of the beliefs of the Chrsitain faith and affirmed them all. And in the same way, if our body is broken before we pray the sinner's prayer, it's still broken the minute after we pray it. And so I will go to the king, which is against the law; and if I perish, I perish!. If he is that kind of guy, then theres a real question about his fitness for ministry. We extend that respect to all First Nations peoples. It involves tearing down every speculation and lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God (2 Corinthians 10:5). From Abused To Unashamed: Christine Caine's Story. As long as Im abiding in him, then the testimony is, he says: No eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor has it entered into any persons heart the things that God has for those that love him (1 Corinthians 2:19). She is an ordained pastor and functions in that capacity. Try the Catholic Church if you want truth! Let God judge, not these people who protest about these awesome people bringing tons of people to Christ. A number of conjectures have been put forth why Priscilla comes first at all in the references to them both. Christine Caineis part of the rise of the Feminine Church of Eden. If a quarrelsome person is left to himself he will soon have nobody with which to quarrel. You have to make that decision. I disagree that Christine Caine, Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer are false teachers. When you're abused, you shut down and think you're used goods. Treating God as a Source of power and energy for the purpose of our bidding is no different than conjuring spirits from the dead. There is an honesty about Christine Caine that is rare in high-profile leaders. You cant add or take away from the gospel and thats what they are doing. Does the author of this article have the power of discerning a persons heart? Paul didnt want Timothy merely to triumph over the false teachers. 20 + years of applying her teachings and continuing to learn from her as well as many others has taught me that our God is so much bigg e and more amazing than any human mind can comprehend. Deuteronomy 18: 10,11,12 Again, Peter did not continue in the Judaizing error but was corrected. (Marin)Did you know that Lydia and Priscilla are both listed BEFORE their husbands in the book of Acts because the writing style of the day indicated listing the LEADER of the household FIRST?. I have also lost friends to cults due to their lack of knowledge of the scriptures for themselves, and it breaks my heart every day. In both texts, Paul hands someone over to Satan. I genuinely thought this was a joke HAHAHA. Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. 1 Peter 2:1, Dont grumble against one another, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. Published in Testimony. they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. "I had a thyroidectomy last Tuesday. When you first start being abused you think that what is happening to you is shameful and wrong, but when it happens repeatedly over a long period of time and no-one intervenes, you begin to think theres something wrong with you. You may see that as liberal-feminism or call me a heretic, but I see that as the Christ in me touching the heart of someone who had lost his way. Paul ratchets up the rhetoric when facing down serious error coming from Hymenaeus and Alexander: Some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Believers, on the other hand, must continue abiding in the doctrine of Christ to have fellowship with the Father and the Son. Emma is a trustee for Christian festival Creation Fest and lives in Cornwall with her husband and two teenage daughters. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Calling out a false teacher? Ill be sure to steer clear. But just as you assume others come on here just to defend their favorite teachers, I ask what do you come on here to do? This explains what is happening today as The Lords return grows closer: 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. Lets focus on the Love of Jesus and love love lovebe Jesus out thereChristine Cain, Joyce and all those you judge..they love the Lordperhaps u should look inward friend. I do NOT comment on hearsay. I am sad to think that you guys would call yourselves Christians when you dont act like it. 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Christine Caine twists scripture. I do not talk about ministries I have not had any sort of direct contact with. And the whole -you are tearing down His Kingdom bit just love till it hurts ,just love , love, love,anything and everything cuz its all about love is pure and utter b.s. Youre not speaking as a Christian should. Hebrews 2:1 says: We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. Many have been drifting for decades. In 2016, Christian author Carey Scott was the victim of plagiarism by a major celebrityinternational speaker and evangelist Christine Caine. Oh, absolutely. As a young woman, I was making a lot of poor choices. So many things we call biblical are just cultural. From the age of 3 to the age of 15, Christine Caine was abused by 4 men every week. I thought making disciples was a command of Christwhy is it bad I was called to do that? I also hope this person finds truth and happiness in God and in his word. Before she knew it, she was struggling. "Some of my most precious ministry moments happened in those waiting rooms and hospitals," says Caine. To whoever wrote this, I pray that love invades your heart for a daughter of the King. These are the very people that turn people away from God with all their judging and misinterpretation of the bible. Spend more time building your character than trying to build your platform. I would beseech you to dump Caine and sit down with a bible and rethink what you have been taught. Please show me where one called out wolf has been accused without documentation. perverted and sinful, being self-condemned (Titus 3:11) The first three points more or less presuppose the context of a local congregation. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. You should be afraid to follow a wolf, its spiritually lethal, and if you read your bible it says to be aware of those spreading error and twisting scripture. Your significance and security is not going to come from a ministry, church, career, salary, title. Amen (I Timothy 6:20-21). Oh what horror! He is this hope that we have; nothing else is going to do it. Keep in scriptures, you might find better things to do than this. To my family, when I chose to put Christ first, I was turning my back on everything: on tradition, on culture, on them. So we can correct any mistakes before permanent post? Wolf? Christine Caine is a member-leader in a doctrinally heretical word-faith church. . Is there any significance attached to the fact that Aquila is not named first every time, but equally shares mention with his wife? Christine Caineusurps male authority and rebels against the clear word of the Bible What we have learned in this last year, if we hadnt known it already, is that you cant put your hope in anything else. Why, because God has called them to that profession. Many of the people you are tearing down are Gods people and are in the faith, running the race.. You do not need to read Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic to have a happy marriage, just be a Christian! Weve always been Jesus first, kingdom first. All you have to do to drift is nothing. Yet who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?, 15 Then Esther told them to reply to Mordecai: 16 Go, gather all the Jews who are present in Shushan, and fast for me; neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day. In addition, Christine Caine endorses practice of pagan/witchcraft as seen here in Battersons Circle Making book blurb, 2. What name have I called whom? Talking about them and their ministries behind their backs is NOT of Christ. Discernment The prolific writer and speaker has written openly about her experience of childhood sexual abuse and a raft of other challenging life events in her latest book, Unashamed. Wolves are loners. In today's world real hope is hard to find. Youve got to make what Jesus did for you bigger than what anybody has done to you, and what Jesus said about you greater than what anyone else said. Who were you directing this to? When you question someones salvation, you are questioning their citizenship in heaven. But battles never come at convenient times, do they? She travels without her husband! Pluease! My heart is broken and we need to pray fervently for them to open their eyes. That is the CLEAR difference. I know I am using a generalized context, as some would argue that ministering is different then preaching or teaching. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.. Thanks to Christine, I plan on inviting several lost people to study the Bible with me this Easter season. What do you spend most of your time worrying about? But what we see with most of these women that are rising in popularity is what appears to be a female dominant role in their personal marriages. till seven times? Additionally, Christine has close relationships with Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer, frequently sharing the stage or partnering with both. What Christ? It's the will to persevere even in the face of fear. Though they may not be spot on in everything, they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. Whats your take on it? I think this is a site for pharisees. Like her or not, Christines message convicted me and got me back to the business of reaching out to the lost. All thats done here is to warn people!E of false teachers, false theology and false biblical practices, how is that in anyway being Pharisee? If all were trying to do is put red meat before the congregation or drive up blog stats, thats not really a good motive. I dont see you recommending ANYONE else. So that is why Im not all up in what other people are saying about the Bible all the time. Yes, I do know you to say such a thing. what did Paul call those that did trouble him in Galatians 5:12? I dont recall anyone telling you to shut up and do as Im told, you my friend have a chip on your shoulder, and are having a hard time distinguishing between false gospel, womens rights, and your perceive notion of what is biblical and what isnt. And we go to bed at night thinking I didnt do enough, I wasnt kind enough.. That is the CLEAR difference. Every woman, girl on the planet is a daughter of the most high king, made in Gods image. Faith? "I wondered why so many people wanted a platform ministry when there was ministry waiting in hospital waiting rooms all over the world. When mankind was childlike, before Christs presence in the world of Gods creation, we had the Old Testament and its teachings to guide us. Im very confident that if we apply those principles on an ongoing daily basis we can walk in victory. But it is their heart God is looking at, are they teahcable, do they accept correction well. The mum-of-two, who is now 50 years old, said it took 50 years to write Unashamed, because she has spent many years overcoming her shame and being confident in her own skin. Christine Caine shares how she found out that she was adopted.Get Today's Offer From Joyce: https://joycemeyer.org/store - - - - - - - Follow Joyce . What are our motives in the confrontation? 2) What is the role of a single women & widows in the church, if she is not preoccupied with the duties of wife and mother? That said, taking the gender issue away (just for second), the confusion persists in this idea that those who are unmarried cannot minister. If Im going to follow him, Ive got to deny myself, take up my cross. I grew up a Catholic and they spend so much time worshiping idols, I barely knew anything about Christ. Life and death is in the power of the tongue.nothing wrong with positive prayers and claiming blessings over our children. Christines book Unashamed is the third in a series including Undaunted and Unstoppable. In person, Caine is funny, loud and unapologetic. Be kind and good. CT's weekly newsletter highlighting the voices of women writers. You are not confronting directly, and you know it. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Christine Caine (Activist, Evan- [1] [2] [3] 1 She is preaching to men. If your soul has been wounded before you come to Christ, it will likely still be wounded immediately after. Nobody talked about that stuff. John says that the congregation has a responsibility to refuse all support for such teachers. Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Visiting Sydney from her California base to attend Hillsong's Colour conference this week, Caine says she was "all in" for Christ from the moment she . You mean judgemental? What I went through in 2016-2017, I think God was preparing me for what everyone else was going to go through in 2020. Dinsdale Young thinks that Priscilla may have been a believer before her husband, and that she won him for the Lord by her chaste conversation, or that perhaps hers was a primacy of character and service, or a more conspicuous intellectual ability, or that she may have been of nobler birth and social quality than Aquila. You obviously have no clue what it is you are talking about and have never heard any of these people speak. Confused as why you added, traveling without her husband. God looks out for us all, dont you agree? My goal, in my openness, is to say: God can use anyone. I believe theres a heaven and hell, that Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried and rose again for our sins. 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